Curse

Razon · Nov 07, 2009, 08:26 AM // 08:26

A LOTS OF high-end armbrace farmers have quited the game lately so I wouldn't be any surprised that they have gone up so much. Just deal with it.

X CDH X · Nov 07, 2009, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Why are you guys being pathetic an complaining about prices of armbraces. Make your own groups and do full runs and just pay the price of consets. Every time I map to GoA to do 'full DoA' runs theres loads of people just standing around semi afk looking for a group. Since Ursan nerf seems like people can't find a way to DoA - they just stand around complaining that they can't find a group.

I mean come on all you need is 1 melee 1 para 1 pnh monk and a bunch of necros and your sorted. That build is not like SF spike builds where everyone needs attack in sync. So simple even a 'tard could run it...

A couple runs a week and you can easy get an armbrace. Come on ppl stop being lame...

upier · Nov 07, 2009, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by X CDH X

Come on ppl stop being lame...

Don't you mean X lame X?

X CDH X · Nov 07, 2009, 10:52 AM // 10:52

GW players are extremely lazy now with all the dungeon running and complaining that is too hard to do stuff. I done loads of DoA - from the old obsi tank and searing flames group to the Ursan to the SF + CoP and heroways so there has always been workable builds for ppl who look them up and do have a go.

What I'm writing is true so you are the one being dumb.

JONO51 · Nov 07, 2009, 11:13 AM // 11:13

people are hardly gonna think "oshi ecto prices gone up by 1.3k, better revalue every item i have." No, instead thery'll just ride out the price rise thats likely temporary and make a few extra $$

Coverticus · Nov 07, 2009, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Ah, so none of you have sat in on the GW equivalent of OPEC's secret meeting room...

GG1 "We all have seen over the last few weeks the demand for Armbraces remain steady..."
GG2 "Ecto's have risen in value slightly though Mr Chairman..."
GG3 "Wait, lets raise the price a bit more as I need a new townhouse"
GG1 "Capital idea, give that man a cookie. And pass the new pricing structure to your traders.."

No need to say what GG stands for..

/endsarcasm.

Peaks and troughs, simply put. We have seen it with other commodities in GW (player or game controlled), this is just another phase.

DonCorleoneCS · Nov 07, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

there's less people farming braces these days

Ghost Dog · Nov 07, 2009, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by sthpaw

and can u imagine if Shadow form actually does get nerfed??
100k + 80e or more even.
i swear ill be lolz hard and hitting DoA big time.

Armbraces have been traded long before easy mode was here.

Be more dramatic.

dr love · Nov 07, 2009, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

Armbraces have been traded long before easy mode was here.

hehe i like that. i remember first weekend DoA was released. everyone was there and forming pugs. and everyone got raped! lol

AlsPals · Nov 07, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Eh, I said it before...but when you have the builds in place(600 and a Veil farmer) you can farm the gems from DOA HM in ONE day if you wanna sit there all day. 2-3 days with a couple hours nightly dedicated, and some luck. Then, if you wanna ramp up speed, buy any gems you see floating around in Gate of Anguish. Making money off of braces is the easiest thing in the world to do. if you can just get the initial brace, the rest come easy. Ala Scrounge for the first one, and sell it. If you come on GW at weird times, there is always someone spamming to sell a brace or 20, and you may be able to amke 10k+ from buying one, though looking to make 3 or more ectos per transaction is optimal. In addition, just play normally, and do fire sales. You dont need to make huge cash on all goods to feel decent at the end of the day. Just grab shit, take advantage of holidays(People selling AND buying TOT bags for 75k each...wtf? Buy em at 50k each and clean up 5 minutes later...but this was only really the case the first two days.) Im all for everyone making there cash, but there is no one to blame but Anet. Sure if SF gets nerfed, something else will come up, but it couldnt possibly be faster or as fast in knocking shit silly in the game. To obtain High End goods, be ready to do High End shit. Or wait for Anet to make one of the rarest items in the game drop from 5+ different creatures, damn near every dungeon end chest...and yes im talking about the Elemental Sword.

Unknown Duli · Nov 07, 2009, 08:44 PM // 20:44

does that mean uber rare mini-pets will drop in ecto price also? lol good luck with that one

people pay what people pay, myself I never have to sell lower than 48e because people will pay that (and I wont accept anything lower, ill just stockpile)

farm them yourself, it actually is fun

Schnellburg · Nov 07, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Agree with you Lord. =) I won't sell a brace below 48e, and everytime I get low ball offers, just say no thanks. If your patient enough there are always the few who will offer 50+ ectos for a brace when they need 1 in a hurry. Patience is a virute, shouldn't all you powertraders know that by now???

gameshoes3003 · Nov 08, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Ambraces are only expensive to those that don't like farming.
Sure you can argue you have other things to do in life other than gaming which is great and all, but that doesn't mean you just deserve a tormented weapon.
There are many people who say that they can farming over 100k a week here, so to them this isn't so bad.
So just farm -and I mean farm lots- and you'll probably get cool weapons and the money to get one.
As much as I would like to get one, it already took me forever to get to 300k with just selling Zkeys.

w00t! · Nov 08, 2009, 02:41 AM // 02:41

The sheer lack of economic knowledge here is staggering.

Some history. Ecto has been used as a simple substitute for cash in transactions > 100k. When GW was in early days buy sell prices were first determined in gold, then converted to gold + ecto using the going exchange rate. Later, once ecto had stabilized a bit people began bidding 100+ecto.

Changes to UW have driven up the value of ecto. Changes to UW has done nothing to make obtaining an Armbrace any easier or more difficult. Thus, the value of an Armbrace should remain static.

So why have they gone up? Couple reasons. First, we don't have a strong-form market. Second, lots of buyers/sellers are irrational.

People whine when sellers ask the same amount of ecto for an armbrace (thus asking for more gold in essence, for the same amount of work that they used to do). But if people still buy the armbraces in spite of the whining, it means that armbraces were previously undervalued.

If people don't buy the armbraces, then they will eventually drop in value. The number of trades will also drop, as many sellers will simply hold the items in inventory waiting for the market to move. As cash is not necessary for pretty much anything in GW, there is no penalty for doing so.

So yep, the selling prices are irrational. But so are the buyers, as they continue to buy armbraces. So in the end things balance out, and irrationally, changes in UW farming drive up armbrace prices. Sounds silly, but it's simply a function of the must-have-it-now GW community.

Rexion · Nov 08, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58

capitalism.
the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

oh well.

toocooltang · Nov 09, 2009, 03:32 AM // 03:32

ursan days ectos were 5.5k then the SF plains farm came out and ectos drop to 3.7k. I tried to explain to people the 1.8k difference meant it cost more ectos but no one would buy, everyone said 100k + 25 blah.

Basically ectos have become another forum of currency which is obviously linked to gold. Of course has the ecto supply increased dramatically over the last 18 months, thus dropped the price. Now that UW is much harder to do the ecto supply rapidly shrank agian and you will see it to continue to shrink as long as there isnt another speed clear.

AKB48 · Nov 09, 2009, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by toocooltang

Now that UW is much harder to do the ecto supply rapidly shrank agian and you will see it to continue to shrink as long as there isnt another speed clear.

But never doubt the intelligence of us farmers.

Jessyi · Nov 09, 2009, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by Rexion

capitalism.
the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

oh well.

Don't be a jackass. I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that the rich are rich because they played hard enough/smart enough and were dedicated to their chosen goal? With the exception of dupers and those kind of scum which are simple thieves, that's the reality.

I see you've already forgotten the other side of the coin as well. If the rise in price of a commodity can make the rich richer, than a crash can also make them substantially poorer. It's a risk they take by holding their cash as ecto or armbraces or rare items. In fact over the past 4 years every single item in this game has dropped in value over and over again. Yes, that affects everyone rich and poor alike, but while you're both losing money to the same market force, THEY are actually working like dogs to make their money back and a whole lot more.

You're poor because you choose to be, one way or the other. Either you wanted to play casual all the time, or you had no interest in power trading, or IRL kept you too busy. Whatever the situation, you made a choice. Deal with it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Axeman002 · Nov 09, 2009, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Originally Posted by Jessyi

Don't be a jackass. I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that the rich are rich because they played hard enough/smart enough and were dedicated to their chosen goal? With the exception of dupers and those kind of scum which are simple thieves, that's the reality.

I see you've already forgotten the other side of the coin as well. If the rise in price of a commodity can make the rich richer, than a crash can also make them substantially poorer. It's a risk they take by holding their cash as ecto or armbraces or rare items. In fact over the past 4 years every single item in this game has dropped in value over and over again. Yes, that affects everyone rich and poor alike, but while you're both losing money to the same market force, THEY are actually working like dogs to make their money back and a whole lot more.

You're poor because you choose to be, one way or the other. Either you wanted to play casual all the time, or you had no interest in power trading, or IRL kept you too busy. Whatever the situation, you made a choice. Deal with it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

couldn't have said it better myself

AKB48 · Nov 09, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Jessyi

THEY are actually working like dogs to make their money back and a whole lot more.

You're poor because you choose to be, one way or the other. Either you wanted to play casual all the time, or you had no interest in power trading, or IRL kept you too busy. Whatever the situation, you made a choice. Deal with it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Well....after reading your comment I can't but pity the rich, if someone worked like a dog for some coins in a video game.....I really can't say that should be a source of pride or whatnot lol, more like a source of pity from others. But it is, after all, your choice to be rich or be poor, if you choose to work yourself like a dog for some non-existent game currency over other things or if you simply don't got anything better to do, well, you're rich. But for the rest of us "poor people", I say staying poor is the way to go.